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 | composed: 08-09-2021 07:01 |
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I'm not really a fan of feeding the party manually, because I think it's really irritating to do when the time per day is shortened. If the days are actually going to be full days (like 24 hours of play time to a day), then manual wouldn't be bad. But if the days are going to be crunched, and I'm assuming they will, then I'd find it really annoying to manually feed my party every 15 minutes. In fact, I'd prefer not to need to feed people at all if time is crunched. I think that certain aspects of reality only work well when implemented with other aspects of reality (in this case, necessity to eat and time). I know I'd go insane if I had to go eat something every third of an hour. You should also look at the fact that most people don't need three meals per day. Two meals per day certainly sustained me just fine through college, and I'm sure there are people who only eat one meal per day. And another thing to consider is that people don't eat evenly throughout the day. Since people sleep around eight hours, they don't eat during that time, and most people don't eat dinner right before bed. For instance, I eat dinner at 6PM and don't eat breakfast until about 8AM, which means I go without food just fine for 14 hours... then I eat again at 1PM and back to 6PM, where the cycle began. It would be especially annoying if your characters have to wake up in the night and eat because of a necessity to feed every third of a day. One other thing to consider is that, depending on your timetables of events, a player may need to wait for awhile for something to happen. During this time, it would be nice to have an auto-eat feature so that, for instance, you can have your character rest at an inn for three days and you won't have to interrupt the wait for the sole purpose of eating.
Finally, something to think about : In real life I only have to feed myself manually - NOT other people.
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| composed: 08-09-2021 09:41 |
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Corv
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| | Favourite Ultima: Ultima 7 Black Gate |
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Original von Pyrrian
I'm not really a fan of feeding the party manually, because I think it's really irritating to do when the time per day is shortened. If the days are actually going to be full days (like 24 hours of play time to a day), then manual wouldn't be bad. But if the days are going to be crunched, and I'm assuming they will, then I'd find it really annoying to manually feed my party every 15 minutes. In fact, I'd prefer not to need to feed people at all if time is crunched. I think that certain aspects of reality only work well when implemented with other aspects of reality (in this case, necessity to eat and time). I know I'd go insane if I had to go eat something every third of an hour. You should also look at the fact that most people don't need three meals per day. Two meals per day certainly sustained me just fine through college, and I'm sure there are people who only eat one meal per day. And another thing to consider is that people don't eat evenly throughout the day. Since people sleep around eight hours, they don't eat during that time, and most people don't eat dinner right before bed. For instance, I eat dinner at 6PM and don't eat breakfast until about 8AM, which means I go without food just fine for 14 hours... then I eat again at 1PM and back to 6PM, where the cycle began. It would be especially annoying if your characters have to wake up in the night and eat because of a necessity to feed every third of a day. One other thing to consider is that, depending on your timetables of events, a player may need to wait for awhile for something to happen. During this time, it would be nice to have an auto-eat feature so that, for instance, you can have your character rest at an inn for three days and you won't have to interrupt the wait for the sole purpose of eating. |
You obviously assume that if you have to feed manually you will have to feed them at certain times of the day (like at 8am 12am and 8pm...). But that assumption is wrong. It would be fairly "cheap" to make it this way.
Your character will have some kind of hunger-meter when it is below a certain amount he will get hungry, if it gets lower also some stats get lower because of the hunger. It doesn't mean that you HAVE to feed him immediately, you just have to deal with the consequences. If you feed him the meter will rise according to what you feed him. The more you feed the longer he will be able to go without eating anything else (of course there is a limit too, you cant just pump him full for the rest of the adventure 
). This way you have some freedom and control over the hunger problem (challenge). And thats why you of course don't have to get up just to feed someone (I hope you don't really think we are that bad at game design...) 
But in the morning you will be most likely hungry. If you don't eat you won't "feel" as good as you would with a full belly (stats) and you will go to work like most of us...
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Finally, something to think about : In real life I only have to feed myself manually - NOT other people. |
Well, in real life you are yourself, in Ultima you are the Avatar... and the question is: "what if the Avatar is hungry".
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When you eat automatically it will work similar, only that you can't control how much he eats. But still he will get hungry and you will have to take care that you have food with you. Not having to eat at all is no option, this is a definitiv part of the game design.
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| composed: 08-09-2021 12:17 |
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Eating in games is a bloody pain in the ---
Just remove it all-together.
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| composed: 08-09-2021 16:01 |
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ldaneels
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I would definitely say feed the Avatar manually & let the other party members feed themselves.
As a side note, I've always loved the cooking aspect of Ultima (hmmm baking a pie...) & I think it is an integral part of the series. The hunting & traps idea is very appealing, too.
Great job & please don't yield, make it an Ultima experience & not some sort of "Ultima for Dummies".
Loic
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| composed: 08-09-2021 16:02 |
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Having to feed the Avatar I can live with, although I'd personally prefer to have it automated. But I REALLY don't want to have to feed party members. Having party members whine about being hungry and having to manually feed every adventurer was a pain in the butt in my opinion. Anyway I think it's better from a role-playing standpoint anyway. I figure, NPCs should have a certain amount of independence and do things on their own. It's more realistic not being able to micro-manage NPCs as much.
Another possibility: make automatic eating an option that could be turned on and off. If it's too much work, I understand, but if feasible it could be a good way to keep everybody happy...
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| composed: 08-09-2021 17:05 |
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Thepal 
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You definitely won't have to feed the other party members. It's only about you, the Avatar. |
Oh. Well, in that case, I retract my earlier statement about the scripting being hard :p
-==Thepal==-
"We have nothing to do with the mass of men, we two. We walk across the many worlds; by our actions, entire nations crash down or are saved from death." - Mors Gotha
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| composed: 08-09-2021 18:32 |
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Oh. Well, in that case, I retract my earlier statement about the scripting being hard :p |
If that would be the hard part of the scripting we all would have a wonderful headachfree life while scripting Redemption, we would dance around in circles while laughing and drinking alcohol free beer and seeing diamonds in the sky... :sheep |
Or in other point of view. If making that is hard, then how hard would the other things be? And thus leading in group of people in white long sleeve jackets inside pretty house with small soft rooms
And about the point of 'eating how many meals a day'. I eat bread in the morning, if I have time, or if I feel like that, so, not too often. And I eat meal... err... if there's something good in school, if not, I eat bread at home in the evening... and I feel artisticly fine
About feeding avatar. I'd prefer manual feeding. I don't want avatar to eat food I hate
Deto Dragon
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